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Discussion Topic: Example of a New Definition Format
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Newton |
12-02-2003 @ 4:07 PM
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This is just an example of how we might modify an existing definition.
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FIELDER'S CHOICE (FC): 1. When a fielder elects to attempt a play on a runner other than the batter/runner. 2. When any runner advances on a throw or attempted play on another runner. 3. When any fielder holds the ball (rather than throwing to a base for an attempted play) in order to "check" the runner at 3B; see also "Defensive Indifference."
Note: The attempted play does not have to result in a put-out. Under (3) if a fielder checks a runner and throws late to 1B, the Scorer's judgment will determine whether the batter/runner is awarded a Hit or charged a FC.
Scorer: This is a judgment call. IF you believe the batter/runner could not have been put out at 1B by errorless play, AND no other runner was put out, THEN a Hit may be awarded the batter/runner. A FC is an at-bat. See Rule 10.02.
Exceptions: If any preceding runner is forced out, score a FC for the batter/runner. This also applies if an Appeal is successful on a force-play.
Other terms: Descriptive use of FC may include Advance on Throw (AT), Ground into Force (GF), Ground into Double/Triple Play (GDP/GTP), and Defensive Indifference (DI).
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Ideally, each definition which applies directly to a rule will also cite the rule.
Thank you.
Dave Newton
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AtlantaBlue |
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12-18-2003 @ 12:06 PM
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While I applaud the effort, part of your definition (#2) will not work, particularly in the case of a double steal.
See 10.08c. If one runner is played on and advances without a misplay, he gets creditied with a stolen base. Any other runners on the play ALSO get credited with a stolen base. This makes an advance by a runner (the "trail" runner) a stolen base, not an FC, even thought there was an an attempted play on another runner.
I would also preface #1 with "On a batted ball...", as the FC would not apply to the case of a play on a stealing runner. Also, #3 would not have to include a check of another runner (i.e., late in a blowout game, the defense decides not to play on a stealing runner from first, even though there are no other runners on base - this is still Defensive Indifference, a form of an FC).
The exception you noted for #3 can also apply to #1. Example - a ball hit deep in the hole to the F6's right. F6 stops the ball, has no play on the BR, but attempts a play at 3B on an advancing R2, who was not forced on the play. R2 slides in safely. This is also Scorer's Judgment as to a hit vs an FC for the Batter. In the situation as described, I would certainly consider giving the batter a hit on the play.
While many of the existing definitions are not very good, rewriting them is difficult, particularly in order to account for all of the exceptions.
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Newton |
01-15-2004 @ 10:29 AM
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Dear Atlanta Blue,
Thanks for the feedback! You are correct--the draft is incomplete. I should have been more careful when listing exceptions.
Anyway, the overall format is the main thing I'm trying to adapt to the rules:
TERM: DEFINITION OF TERM (with Rule references).
Note: Clarify the definition.
Scorer: Give guidance to the scorer for proper application of the definition.
Exceptions: List specific cases where the definition does / does not apply as written. (this might be better under Notes)
Other terms: List other terms (which will be included in the Definitions) along with their scoring abbreviations.
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Thank you.
Dave Newton
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