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A base runner on 1st attempts to steal second:

Situation 1: The runner arrives at the bag before the tag is applied, but slides a bit too far and loses contact with the base. The fielder reapplies the tag and the runner is called out.

Situation 2: The runner arrives at the bag before the tag is applied, and again the runner overslides the bag. The ball pops from the fielder's glove and roles a few feet away. The runner makes an attempt to go to third base, but then changes his mind. He dives back to second, but the fielder recovers the ball and tags him out.

In which situation (or both or neither) do I award a stolen base. In Situation 1, I'm inclined NOT to award a stolen base. Although the runner safely touched the bag, he did not have enough control to "possess" the bag. In Situation 2, I'm inclined to award a stolen base, since the runner had finished his ste
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07-18-2005 @ 4:11 PM

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According to 10.08e, if a runner is tagged after oversliding the base, either returning or advancing, no SB is awarded. (Not the rule I thought it was either.) My personal train of thought would have been CS+E (since the runner was not yet safe, as he was not in possession of the base, and the tag could have (presumably) been easily made) had the batter returned safely; but since they got him, that erases the E.

I *think* that if he had not overslid, but tried to take third when he noticed the ball rolling around, the SB would be awarded (since he beat the tag in scorer's estimation).


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07-18-2005 @ 7:53 PM

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I would only consider a CS+E if the ball had clearly beaten the runner to the bag. That's not the situation I am envisioning here.

I agree in Situation 1 that no stolen base is warranted.

I guess my question is about Situation 2. By making a move toward third base, does that imply the runner has successfully gained second base and therefore earned a stolen base.


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Definitely not an SB in Situation 1.

In situation 2, it's the scorer's judgment. Did the runner overslide the base and simply wind up on the 3B side (no SB), or did he simply slide and then decide to attempt a steal of 3B? If the latter, I would give the SB, then the out. If in doubt, I think the attempt at third would get the benefit of the doubt.


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07-19-2005 @ 10:00 AM

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Dear Hoopdreams,

I agree with AtlantaBlue on the judgment call. This is a good example of one you have to see for yourself (Situation 2). If the runner makes an obvious attempt to advance to 3B, then he's stolen 2B successfully. If he's just caught in No Man's Land and takes one step towards 3B before diving back to 2B, I don't think he's earned a SB under Rule 10.08(e).

We've all seen cases where a runner thinks he's got a chance to advance, then realizes he's dead meat after starting towards the next base. In an overslide situation like this one, that attempt to advance ought to be pretty genuine before you award the SB on the one the runner overslid, in my opinion.

Thank you.

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